Curse

Lord Sojar · Sep 30, 2007, 06:11 AM // 06:11

Hear that? That is the sound of Guild Wars falling down the stair case and breaking its neck. *snap crackle pop, THUD*

/report Billy Bob His name is offensive because it makes fun of southern people and I am southern, ban him plz.

/report Joe Schmoe he called me a noob, ban him please.

Gigashadow · Sep 30, 2007, 08:09 AM // 08:09

Fort Aspenwood is much better, I've been having a lot of fun there, too bad it took a damn year to actually do something about the problem.

With one exception there have been no leechers when I've been playing, and in the case where there was a leecher and he got reported, he left the game (I don' t know if he saw this and left, or if the the system kicks voted leechers out automatically).

-Loki- · Sep 30, 2007, 08:16 AM // 08:16

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

(I don' t know if he saw this and left, or if the the system kicks voted leechers out automatically).

It doesn't. I watched someone get reported 4 times in one AB match for leeching, and he went on happily standing on the res pad.

My Sweet Revenga · Sep 30, 2007, 08:29 AM // 08:29

guess we'll know if those who abuse the /report command get punished or false or abuse of the command.

Thou doth protest too much.....

AscalonWarrior · Sep 30, 2007, 08:38 AM // 08:38

Don't know about you but there are no leechers in AB. System works?

Despozblehero · Sep 30, 2007, 08:40 AM // 08:40

Im all for making a more severe penalty to abuse the report system, only question/concern I have is how do we know that when the system is abused that we wont be held liable for that abuse? Even if there arent as many people being wrongly reported as there claim theres bound to be a few, and Id like someway to ensure that everything will be rightfully resolved. RA is RA, since day 1 Ive never expected to see an astounding amount of skill out of my team when I go there, dunno why people all of a sudden do now, I think people need to go to TA for their title and maybe help improve TA if its such a problem. As for AB, well what can you say, its AB, pretty much RAx6 if you dont care who you group with... once the report thing becomes common place leechers will probably disappear. I still think given time this system (once the bugs are worked out like defining between a noob and a greifer) will be better than the leavers/leechers, and the strongest opposition to this are the people who are just trying to get a title the "easy way" and care nothing for the quality or manner in which they get it.

glountz · Sep 30, 2007, 08:43 AM // 08:43

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Originally Posted by Antheus

I've only played AB during last two days.

I've seen one person reported for leeching.

All games where people actually paid attention and didn't run around like headless chicken were close wins. All of this was with PUGs.

So from this experience, I can only say that in AB, the gameplay has only improved.

Might have to try RA, although that place is drama central, so it could be that there is abuse going on.

It might be also interesting to see show of hands, how many of those who complain over the system have been leaving teams regularly before this.

Same here. No issues, real fair play improvement. If people could provide screenshots of "I was reported!" it would be cool. I DIDN'T see ANY "boo my cat was reported because he had a 55 saccing build" supported by screenshots on these forums. Especially when you need half your team for a report to be taken into account.
Stop whining and QQ more IMHO.

Gaile Gray · Sep 30, 2007, 08:44 AM // 08:44

It's going to take a while to sort through all the feedback that is coming in about the system. I can tell you that this is a trial system. Call it V1.0, if you will. We will likely disable the system temporarily while we review its effectiveness, abuse-ability, and so forth. That disabling will likely happen in the next two or three days. Then it's analysis and report review time, allowing an overall and detailed assessment of how things are working, how they're not working as intended, and what adjustments need to be made.

I don't yet know the timeline for the second trial, the V2.0. That could come in a couple of days or maybe even a couple of weeks. But I think that the vast majority of legitimate players are very happy that we have worked up this system and I think that we'll agree that it will benefit the game in many ways. It's something we've been working on for several weeks, with consideration, discussion, and internal testing.

My basic point is that this is not an "install and forget it" process and your constructive and detailed feedback is very welcome as we tweak, adjust, and refine the system. Thanks for helping us make the best possible system that makes the game a better experience for everyone.

william1975 · Sep 30, 2007, 09:07 AM // 09:07

Since its implementation i have seen 1 leecher in AB, after a full day of playing there.

Once reported the person seemed to join in, so they may have been rubberbanding, however even though they did join in it was very eratic.

Unfotunatley I experienced about 2 minutes of rubberbanding in the middle of a fight along with my partner. It is possible that we could have been reported there. I was wondering if there is some method of the system knowing if we have connection problems, or even get disconnected from the fight, so that if it is occuring we don;t get dishonour points against us.

Another point i noticed is that some people like to save up their abusive language till the end of the fight, when you don;t have enough time to report them for it, as when you are no longer in the arena you can;t report them for it.

However, I generally do like the system and can see it working with mnor tweaks along the way.

Divinus Stella · Sep 30, 2007, 12:13 PM // 12:13

I don't think anet can cope with the volume of reports, itll be like the old /bug command which was just ignored.

With the new glad point system i dont see RA as being worth playing as far as glad points go, its pretty easy to get to 20 wins in TA which gives 10 glad points and the games are all much faster, glad point farming was the only reason to leave bad teams and synch enter RA before.

Ive seen a lot of people trying to force their teams to die and monks not healing just becase they need to go for their dinner, RA originally was just a fun arena for killing time, somewhere to go that you could just leave at will when enough people came on for serious pvp, now its like a legal contract.

IMO the system doesnt prevent griefers, if anything it takes griefing to another level.

Pwny Ride · Sep 30, 2007, 12:18 PM // 12:18

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Umm.. you know you can only be reported by your own team right? (which means you weren't doing your job).

1..2..3 MESMERHATE!

There are still ALOT of people who dont understand or hate mesmers, now this silly system has a way to show it, regardless if one is in the team or not.

Sorry i posted wrong. What i meant was that mesmer is one of the most annoying/hated professions, and regardless of who is annoyed by them, its a job well done.

My bad.

c0c0c0 · Sep 30, 2007, 12:24 PM // 12:24

It amazes me how many people come to this forum to vent their insecurities on Anet. Clue-phone, folks: Anet's business model does not include the mission of alienating as many of their paying customers as they can. Good Product + Goodwill = $$.

This system is a test fix for something that is unquestionably broken. You put a bunch of immature people in an environment where there are no consequences for their actions and you get obnoxious behavior. It's a fact of life and you've all seen it. So Anet is trying to see what they can do to enforce a little civility and accountability and I am all for it. In fact, I've proposed far more comprehensive and long-lasting reputation effects than what Anet is testing now. Frankly, I think grievers who step on enough toes should run around with a new non-removable title like "Incorrigible Jerk" so we all know who to avoid!

You guys need to calm down and give this thing a chance. They are gathering hard data right now to see how this is *really* being used. Not the opinions of a few elitist leavers, not the opinions of a few pouty children, but the real numbers from the whole of the GW community that this forum, quite frankly, does not represent.

There isn't a invention in the last 10 millions years that someone hasn't figured out how to abuse and this one wont be any different. We'll just have to figure out how to work around that, as we have with every other abuse method. I'm personally thrilled to death we are at least now trying to make people accountable for their actions.

prism2525 · Sep 30, 2007, 02:31 PM // 14:31

Some points I see would be crucial for it to be better:

1. Disconnected ppl cannot be reported (ie. those whose connection crashed or lag has reached 1000+ for more than 5 seconds in the last 2 minutes).

2. LOWER THE CAP. 50 is way too much imo.

3. Please, PLEASE examine or have some AI filter the reports as to actually know whether someone actually DID commit a bannable offense (if any offense at all).

4. Punish (severly, I might say) abusers. Something like banning them for 3 hours instead of 1 for "Conspiracy".

just my thoughts. (Pls, I know this isn't easy like saying put block A over block B but I'm sure the chaps @ Anet can figure something out.

Burn Butt · Sep 30, 2007, 02:35 PM // 14:35

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

But I think that the vast majority of legitimate players are very happy that we have worked up this system and I think that we'll agree that it will benefit the game in many ways.

Very true Gaile, very true. I'm sure you guys have realised by now that no matter what you do, you're going to (A) get hate from x percentage of the population because of the change (B) get hate from x percentage of the population just because.

There are still MANY more of us out here who appreciate what you do.

cebalrai · Sep 30, 2007, 03:41 PM // 15:41

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Please give the system a few days and let us hear your positive and constructive feedback. Some of the claims of "I was punished" I know are not true. It's really easy to have a .04 second delay in connecting and figure "The system blocked me!"

Let's get some real feedback, not knee-jerk reactions. Sure, if you get a block on your account, let us know that via the Support system. But please don't post anecdotal comments without having worked with the system, because it's too easy to say "Yeah, and my grandmother was blocked for two weeks for botting, and she doesn't even have a computer!"

(Forgive me, I'm not making light of those who have had problems. But I'm betting my bottom dollar that there are far fewer than some people want you to believe.)

Right on, Gaile. Overall patterns are much more useful than these anecdotes.

Over the past couple days I've played maybe 40-50 ABs and maybe a dozen RAs. Over the course of these games, I haven't observed even a single case of /report abuse. I haven't even heard anyone in-game say there's been a problem, and I play with the public chat turned on. I've also discussed the system extensively with my alliance and nobody has seen any abuse going on.

What I *have* seen is actual leeches getting reported as leeches. And better yet, I've seen leeching cut down to maybe 20% of what it used to be just last week. Quitting out early is substantially less common as well.

I don't doubt that there are a couple bad apples that abuse whatever system they can get their hands on. Anet will deal with them, if not now then by a future refinement of the "DCS".

For now, I'm PUMPED that AB has been saved. Thanks Anet.

cebalrai · Sep 30, 2007, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by More Outrage

When I read through the update I was all like "Give it a go!" but now I`ve seen it in action I hate it. Fortunately I haven`t been the recipient of any reporting but I have seen others in AB who are killing away and suddenly get the you have been reported for leeching text come up.

Seems to me to be encouraging vigilates, very strange move.

This will not work!

I don't buy it. I just came off about four dozen ABs and only saw a small amount of people reported for anything, and they were all undeniable full-game leechers. Anet said they'll start to tune the system after today, so let's be patient. People shouting for Anet to just trash the whole thing and return to leecher/quitter land is *not* the way to go.

Tokar Terrius · Sep 30, 2007, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

But I think that the vast majority of legitimate players are very happy that we have worked up this system

Gaile, have you actually read ANY of this thread? 90% of the replies on this thread are telling you how very UNHAPPY they are with this system. I'm currently on a 3 day ban because I used a character called "minimum erection" Forgive me if i'm wrong but erection is in the dictionary! This is far from having a char named "Eat My Juicy c0ck", isnt it?

Extremely disheartened with the state of GW at the moment. That's a whole other rant that I won't bore you with though.

allience · Sep 30, 2007, 10:21 PM // 22:21

i saw the green msg of a person being reported in AB today. we were leading by far and NOBODY in the team chat complained about any leeches. this poor fool was just another victim of the report abuse. u can chek the reports log if u think i'm making up stories.

and u say to email support about being unfairly reported. give me a break gaile. YOU KNOW it takes support 24-48 hours to reply to u. and the first reply they send, is a generated bot reply asking you for additional info EVEN THOUGH you already wrote about the problem in ur initial ticket.

i've had a lot of experience with the support team for various things and ur better off waiting for the Dishonorable Hex to wear off coz by the time u get the reply, it WILL BE ALREADY OFF.

i don't understand why anet would implement the report system when they don't have many ppl on the support team. u guys are working on GW2 and from the "quality" and bugs in GWEN it's obvious that u don't have an excess of man power to spare 24/7 for the reports.

why implement this system when u can't control the abuse? are we some kind of lab rats and u guys are testing features of GW2 on us? it really is strange.

Antheus · Sep 30, 2007, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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90% of the replies on this thread are telling you how very UNHAPPY they are with this system.

Where is that thread? Because it's not this one.

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I'm currently on a 3 day ban because I used a character called "minimum erection"

All the curse and slang words are in dictionary. That doesn't make them appropriate for use in game.

And if you cannot tell why erection is a problematic word, then you may encounter problems, and find the system unjust.

Molock · Sep 30, 2007, 10:42 PM // 22:42

the dishonor system is horrible! I mean can't I leave a horrible and hopeless group without being reported by ass*****. This is my example..

Me: ok, gl guys
Them: we will report you if you leave
Me: wtf.. we have 60dp, you don't know how to play I can't afford to waste my time
Then: we are gonna report you if you leave...

Also, in AB for example people are obviously gonna abuse the feature. If there is a geo-tank and they are bothered by him... report

I don't even want to afk for even a minute because I know I will be reported..

This feature has to be overhauled or thrown out asap